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Except for the time when your opponent digs a hole for themselves completely on their own. Such self-sabotage is not something you see in every comment section but it does happen.
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And you can find most of them on a Twitter account called Conservative Self-Owns. It shares screenshots of homophobic, racist, and other hateful or narrow-minded remarks that backfired on their authors, and it has already earned 269.2K followers by doing so. Scroll down and check out some of Conservative Self-Owns' most popular tweets!
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More info: Twitter This post may include affiliate links. #1 ConSelfOwns Report Final score: 534points POST Eppe Eppe Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I've been saying this repeatedly lately, but once again, the irony here is almost unbearable 187 187points reply View More Replies...
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View more comments We managed to get in contact with the person running the account and they agreed to have a little chat about what goes into the process. However, they also wanted to remain anonymous, so for the purpose of this article, let's call them Admin.
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"I started the account back in November when I saw a pattern of mainly conservatives on social media making self-defeating arguments," Admin told Bored Panda. #2 ConSelfOwns Report Final score: 467points POST MiriPanda MiriPanda Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Unintentional compliment :-) 336 336points reply View More Replies...
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View more comments #3 ConSelfOwns Report Final score: 466points POST Jo Johannsen Jo Johannsen Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago So the majority of Texas legislators feel that forcing a woman to carry an unwanted baby to term, thus resulting in an unloved, neglected child who will suffer from the known effects of those circumstances throughout his/her life is a better choice? And no provisions will be made to step in and provide emotional and financial support to the unwilling mother?
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Gotta say, not feeling it. 227 227points reply View More Replies......
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Gotta say, not feeling it. 227 227points reply View More Replies...
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View more comments Such a huge following isn't just a testament to their work. "I mainly pick conten...
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"I also sometimes see stuff in the wild on apps like TikTok."
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View more comments Such a huge following isn't just a testament to their work. "I mainly pick content through submissions people DM me," Admin explained. But they haven't lost their touch, either.
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"I also sometimes see stuff in the wild on apps like TikTok."
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"I also sometimes see stuff in the wild on apps like TikTok."
Admin said by far the most popular themes on Conservative Self-Owns are pronoun-related, like "I'd never date a girl with pronouns." Recently, things related to COVID deniers getting COVID after funny statements on social media have been doing well too. #4 ConSelfOwns Report Final score: 407points POST DforDory DforDory Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago You can't argue with stupid. 244 244points reply View More Replies...
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View more comments #5 ConSelfOwns Report Final score: 388points POST Lauren Caswell Lauren Caswell Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Oh no, it keeps me from dying, whoopsie 259 259points reply View More Replies... View more comments #6 ConSelfOwns Report Final score: 388points POST Yoinks! Yoinks!
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View more comments Considering how the last presidential election went down, political division in A...
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View more comments Considering how the last presidential election went down, political division in America seems to be growing. But according to licensed psychologist Dr.
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Mike Brooks, we must remember that it's not the worst it's ever been. After all, the country did have a Civil War.
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But as we can see from Conservative Self-Owns, some of the most toxic disagreements take place online. #7 ConSelfOwns Report Final score: 334points POST Toea Muresan Iulia Toea Muresan Iulia Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago that is a socialist idea 180 180points reply View More Replies... View more comments #8 ConSelfOwns Report Final score: 332points POST Watching Watching Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Did anyone realize that when Donald Trump signed the terms of his agreement not to run a charity again, that he had given $500,000 away to voters at a rally?
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Mike Brooks wrote in Psychology Today. "I'm sure you have too ... [The reason] might not even be abo...
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Mike Brooks wrote in Psychology Today. "I'm sure you have too ... [The reason] might not even be about politics or religion.
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It might be about who does the most housework or who the greatest football quarterback of all time is. Regardless of the topic, when we get into an argument, we are usually 'in it to win it.'" #11 ConSelfOwns Report Final score: 287points POST Caro Caro Caro Caro Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yep, the second half were his voters.
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Have you ever won one? What percentage of them end up being a waste of time?"
"Have you ever argued with anyone about something of importance and convinced them to change their views?
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That you do, in fact, way more housework than your partner? How about we flip the question.
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Has anyone ever convinced you, through arguing, to change your views?" #15 ConSelfOwns Report Final score: 259points POST pusheen buttercup pusheen buttercup Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago If it's a choice, please prove it and choose to be gay instead. We'll wait. You can choose to switch back later.
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Brooks said that convincing others that we are right, and they are wrong almost never happens. "As much as we'd like to think we are rational, objective creatures, we often fall short of that aspiration. We have many cognitive biases that keep us believing that we are right and others are wrong."
"If you are familiar with the Simon & Garfunkel song, The Boxer, there's a great line that's relevant: 'All lies and jests, still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.' Simon and Garfunkel are describing what is, in effect, known as confirmation bias.
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That is, we cherry-pick our information to support what we already believe and 'disregard the rest.'" #19 ConSelfOwns Report Final score: 239points POST pusheen buttercup pusheen buttercup Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Facepalm 133 133points reply View More Replies... View more comments See Also on Bored Panda Overworked Employee Quits Because He Wasn't Getting A Fair Wage, Costs The Company $40 Million 40 Embarrassing Moments People Didn't Know Who They Were Talking To And Made A Fool Of Themselves #20 ConSelfOwns Report Final score: 223points POST Ben Smith Ben Smith Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago That sign is simply awful. You can be anti-war and still respect soldiers.
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Right back at you! 89 89points reply View more comments #22 ConSelfOwns Report Final score: 212points POST King Kashue King Kashue Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago This cuts off that this was tweeted by the QAnon Congresswoman from Colorado, Lauren Boebert - who is just so, so stupid.
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Brooks reminded that much of our happiness in life is nested within our relationships. How we relate to other people is a huge deal. "We should take great care in choosing whether to argue with someone," he said.
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"We must make an effort to be 'effective' in life over being 'right.' After all, if we damage the relationship by arguing, our happiness and their happiness is diminished."
Of course, you probably don't care what a stranger on the internet thinks about you. Plus, we shouldn't be a doormat - it is important to have values, ideas, opinions, and stances. But since arguing seldom produces the desired result, we should be cautious about when to engage.
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View more comments "If you remember the movie WarGames with Matthew Broderick and Ally Sheedy, you might remember the tagline, 'The only winning move is not to play.' When it comes to winning an argument, the best winning move is to not get in one to begin with," Dr. Brooks said.
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